NEW ALBUM

[seattlesound]

why go self-titled again? That's not original at all.

Maybe it's symbolic of a fresh start?

These three maybe forgot about “self titled” as a lot of us have tried to do for the last 8 years...

[CagedTiger]

Truly baffled by some of this stuff.

Get on Down by Art of Anarchy made me think Scott had completely returned.

When I look back now I think perhaps at the time the music Art of Anarchy sent him just inspired him more.

Are we completely forgetting how aloof Scott was during this time? How little he cared about this project? He wanted NOTHING to do with this band and made it very clear he was just in it for a paycheck. If you think he was inspired by what Art of Anarchy was sending him I don't know what to tell you -

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/scott-weiland-says-supergroup-was-scam-from-the-beginning-20150422

Scott: "Scam from the beginning"
          "I was paid to do it...I didn't even know what their names were"

As far as Art of Anarchy goes, it was great to see Scott playing with such great musicians.

Are we SERIOUSLY comparing the bassist from friggin Disturbed and two no name trust fund kids to the DeLeo's? Bumblefoot is fine I guess and a technically proficient shredder but dear lord, lets not get carried away.

I'm not trying to knock anyone's tastes but I feel like we are seriously losing perspective here. Half the group is just a couple kids with resources who gave the dude from Disturbed and Bumblefoot a bunch of money to be in a band with them. Then they found Scott who we all know had money troubles, who clearly could not care less about the whole thing but was happy to take a paycheck.

It's fine if you enjoy Art of Anarchy to S/T, but lets be real about what it was.

No one talked about if he cared about it or not. That wasn't the discussion. It was simply about subjective enjoyment. You are correct he admitted his heart was not in the project. However, his melodies were what got me. I hadn't heard him sing such great melodies since SLDD. Compare his work on Art of Anarchy to the S/T, which is all we were saying. Also, saying Scott was playing with "great musicians" does not imply whatsoever that the Deleos are bad in any way. I was specifically talking about Bumblefoot who is an excellent guitarist. I have no problem admitting Scott seemed to want nothing to do with the Project. However, I still prefer it to the S/T any day of the week. AOA has some decent songs and Get on Down is my personal favorite due to the melodies of the verses and chorus. That song hit me in a special way and while it didn't do the same for you, I'm allowed to enjoy it.

Are you saying his heart was truly into Blaster when it came time to tour? He played shows where he was wrecked, showed up late, cut sets short, didn't know what city he was in, and died as a result of that band not caring about him and him not caring about his own health.

I can agree that AOA was a paycheck, but as a fan of Scott's, I was simply glad to see him singing again and with a different type of music.

Loungefly90 has pretty much said everything I was going to say but I will add that I think the downplaying of the ‘college kids’ abilities by Slither is a little unfair, sure they’re unheard of but the guitarist Jon Votta plays about 60% of the guitar solo’s on that album (check the credits) and is clearly a very talented player, I was actually shocked when I found out it was him playing a lot of those blistering solo’s and not Bumblefoot to be honest.


Also, it’s common knowledge that Scott tried to downplay AOA and disassociate himself with the band and the album
during 2015, of course he did, he was promoting and touring on the back of ‘Blaster’! That doesn’t mean to say when they sent him the music in 2013 (which is when he wrote to it and recorded his vocals) that he wasn’t inspired by it then. They sent it to him at a time when he was out of STP and wasn’t doing a great deal remember, I’m sure the money played a big factor but I refuse to believe that he didn’t put any thought or care into his lyrics and melodies. It’s definitely a far more personal and inspired sounding album than S/T is for me.

[CagedTiger]

Without getting into a debate on AOA as a band (I am not a fan w/ Weiland or Stapp and agree it was a paycheck to Weiland), but I will say that I did think Weiland wrote some very good melodies on AoA.  I didnt enjoy the record with Scott all that much, but Small Batch Whiskey, Get on Down, and Death of It definitely have memorable vocal melodies/hooks to me.  There are actually more songs on S/T that seem phoned in by Scott to me. 

Dude Aqualung is my jam. Scott turns the most lame of lyrics into to magic. I don't know how he does that shit.

I think sometimes it’s the way he sings them. On ‘Aqualung’ the way he sings the refrain ‘Please... Please take my life... or let it be” hits me really hard. Especially when you think of all the shit he’d been through and more importantly was still dealing with. Some people may see it as a throwaway lyric but he sings it with so much conviction.

[Aaron]

Also, it’s common knowledge that Scott tried to downplay AOA and disassociate himself with the band and the album
during 2015, of course he did, he was promoting and touring on the back of ‘Blaster’! That doesn’t mean to say when they sent him the music in 2013 (which is when he wrote to it and recorded his vocals) that he wasn’t inspired by it then. They sent it to him at a time when he was out of STP and wasn’t doing a great deal remember, I’m sure the money played a big factor but I refuse to believe that he didn’t put any thought or care into his lyrics and melodies. It’s definitely a far more personal and inspired sounding album than S/T is for me.

Totally this^  I started typing out something similar yesterday but decided I had to get back to work.  I think its very likely that Scott was in to this project when it first started and only later decided that he was "out" do to Blaster. 

Dude Aqualung is my jam. Scott turns the most lame of lyrics into to magic. I don't know how he does that shit.

Agreed on this too!  There are some good songs on this album.  If you take away some of the more corny/stereotypical tracks (like both of the singles they picked) there would be a really solid EP there at least. 

[Pingfah]

Art of Anarchy grew on me quite a bit, although it doesn't get regular listens any more. But for what it is, it is a pretty good example, if you like that sort of thing. Scott does have some strong melodies on it. The band are talented, including the Votta brothers.

Didn't he write those lame lyrics though? Instead of turning lame lyrics into magic, wouldn't it be better to write good lyrics?

[loungefly611]

why go self-titled again? That's not original at all.

Maybe it's symbolic of a fresh start?

Exactly. It's a new beginning. It's not unheard of for a band to have two self-titled albums.

Hell, Weezer has around 40 of them by now.

This made me laugh out loud. Thank you.

[RhettButler]

I thought Art of Anarchy was the worst project Scott was ever involved in. Scott's melodies and singing were the best thing about the debut, but the great  or even good songs just weren't there.

[loungefly90]

I thought Art of Anarchy was the worst project Scott was ever involved in. Scott's melodies and singing were the best thing about the debut, but the great  or even good songs just weren't there.

Yes, because I recall wonderful things coming out of Scott's work with the Magnificent Bastards.

[Slither]

I thought Art of Anarchy was the worst project Scott was ever involved in. Scott's melodies and singing were the best thing about the debut, but the great  or even good songs just weren't there.

Yes, because I recall wonderful things coming out of Scott's work with the Magnificent Bastards.

Magnificent Bastards wasn't as much a side project as it was a precursor to Scott's solo career/12BB days. Not even sure I've heard anything from the time they were calling themselves that other than Mockingbird Girl to be honest, which ended up on 12BB and is a great song.

I tried listening to Art of Anarchy again based on some of the positive responses on this thread. Thought it was worth a second shot, but I just can't get into it. I think it is unquestionably Scott's worst project and by far his creative low point. Small Batch Whiskey is so blatantly ripped off from Thunder Kiss '65 I'm surprised Rob Zombie didn't sue them.  If I had to pick some high points I guess I could say a couple nice things about Get on Down and Death of It, but the rest of it is just totally unpalatable for me. I guess it's at least a good thing some people are getting enjoyment out of it and it wasn't totally a failed endeavor for Scott.

[Down-Plush]

I thought Art of Anarchy was the worst project Scott was ever involved in. Scott's melodies and singing were the best thing about the debut, but the great  or even good songs just weren't there.

I'd agree. In my opinion, that's the worst project he was ever a part of. It's not entirely on him, as the music just isn't anything special. However, I personally found his vocals to be quite weak too. The whole thing seemed very subpar and I had no interest in ever going back to the record after the fact. I'd take his work with the wildabouts over art of anarchy any day of the week.

[loungefly90]

I thought Art of Anarchy was the worst project Scott was ever involved in. Scott's melodies and singing were the best thing about the debut, but the great  or even good songs just weren't there.

Yes, because I recall wonderful things coming out of Scott's work with the Magnificent Bastards.

Magnificent Bastards wasn't as much a side project as it was a precursor to Scott's solo career/12BB days. Not even sure I've heard anything from the time they were calling themselves that other than Mockingbird Girl to be honest, which ended up on 12BB and is a great song.

I tried listening to Art of Anarchy again based on some of the positive responses on this thread. Thought it was worth a second shot, but I just can't get into it. I think it is unquestionably Scott's worst project and by far his creative low point. Small Batch Whiskey is so blatantly ripped off from Thunder Kiss '65 I'm surprised Rob Zombie didn't sue them.  If I had to pick some high points I guess I could say a couple nice things about Get on Down and Death of It, but the rest of it is just totally unpalatable for me. I guess it's at least a good thing some people are getting enjoyment out of it and it wasn't totally a failed endeavor for Scott.

If the above is true and the Bastards was not a side project, then I'm unsure what counts as one or not. Scott also worked with Camp Freddy. Does that count? As has been said, Scott never wanted much to do with AOA, so are we even considering it a side project? What specifically counts as a side project and what doesn't? Scott worked with the Crystal Method on "Murder (You Know It's Hard)." How about that, or his work with The Wondergirls? Are any of those worth calling side projects?

[Slither]

I thought Art of Anarchy was the worst project Scott was ever involved in. Scott's melodies and singing were the best thing about the debut, but the great  or even good songs just weren't there.

Yes, because I recall wonderful things coming out of Scott's work with the Magnificent Bastards.

Magnificent Bastards wasn't as much a side project as it was a precursor to Scott's solo career/12BB days. Not even sure I've heard anything from the time they were calling themselves that other than Mockingbird Girl to be honest, which ended up on 12BB and is a great song.

I tried listening to Art of Anarchy again based on some of the positive responses on this thread. Thought it was worth a second shot, but I just can't get into it. I think it is unquestionably Scott's worst project and by far his creative low point. Small Batch Whiskey is so blatantly ripped off from Thunder Kiss '65 I'm surprised Rob Zombie didn't sue them.  If I had to pick some high points I guess I could say a couple nice things about Get on Down and Death of It, but the rest of it is just totally unpalatable for me. I guess it's at least a good thing some people are getting enjoyment out of it and it wasn't totally a failed endeavor for Scott.

If the above is true and the Bastards was not a side project, then I'm unsure what counts as one or not. Scott also worked with Camp Freddy. Does that count? As has been said, Scott never wanted much to do with AOA, so are we even considering it a side project? What specifically counts as a side project and what doesn't? Scott worked with the Crystal Method on "Murder (You Know It's Hard)." How about that, or his work with The Wondergirls? Are any of those worth calling side projects?

Idk maybe the Wondergirls since that was his backing band during the 12BB days? Whatever, this is a dumb argument at this point.

[stontemplpilot]

There is only one other full length Scott Weiland related album release that I would say rivals AoA as his worst album, and that would be the Christmas album.  I would be embarrassed to tell someone that Scott is my all time favorite singer and that he was the musical genius that he was and then immediately play them either one of those 2 albums as an example of his work.


I loved Scott's live version(and the album version) of Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas, but that is about the extent of anything from that album that I intentionally listen to around Christmas time.  Since the first time I heard it, I have viewed that Christmas record as a huge missed opportunity.  Had he recorded that album around the 2006 time frame when he did Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas, I think it could have been a great album that I would listen to every year around Christmas.  However, something was noticeably off on that album(beginning with the album cover).

[loungefly90]

I thought Art of Anarchy was the worst project Scott was ever involved in. Scott's melodies and singing were the best thing about the debut, but the great  or even good songs just weren't there.

Yes, because I recall wonderful things coming out of Scott's work with the Magnificent Bastards.

Magnificent Bastards wasn't as much a side project as it was a precursor to Scott's solo career/12BB days. Not even sure I've heard anything from the time they were calling themselves that other than Mockingbird Girl to be honest, which ended up on 12BB and is a great song.

I tried listening to Art of Anarchy again based on some of the positive responses on this thread. Thought it was worth a second shot, but I just can't get into it. I think it is unquestionably Scott's worst project and by far his creative low point. Small Batch Whiskey is so blatantly ripped off from Thunder Kiss '65 I'm surprised Rob Zombie didn't sue them.  If I had to pick some high points I guess I could say a couple nice things about Get on Down and Death of It, but the rest of it is just totally unpalatable for me. I guess it's at least a good thing some people are getting enjoyment out of it and it wasn't totally a failed endeavor for Scott.

If the above is true and the Bastards was not a side project, then I'm unsure what counts as one or not. Scott also worked with Camp Freddy. Does that count? As has been said, Scott never wanted much to do with AOA, so are we even considering it a side project? What specifically counts as a side project and what doesn't? Scott worked with the Crystal Method on "Murder (You Know It's Hard)." How about that, or his work with The Wondergirls? Are any of those worth calling side projects?

Idk maybe the Wondergirls since that was his backing band during the 12BB days? Whatever, this is a dumb argument at this point.

You're thinking of Scott Weiland and the Action Girls.

"The Wondergirls are a rock supergroup and side project formed in 1999. In its initial, short lived incarnation, the band featured Stone Temple Pilots frontman Scott Weiland, Mark McGrath of Sugar Ray, Ian Astbury of The Cult, Shannon Leto of Thirty Seconds to Mars, Jay Gordon and Ryan Shuck of Orgy and Julien-k, Doug Ardito of Puddle of Mudd, Ken Andrews of Failure, Martyn LeNoble of Porno for Pyros, and Troy Van Leeuwen of Queens of the Stone Age."

[CagedTiger]

I thought Art of Anarchy was the worst project Scott was ever involved in. Scott's melodies and singing were the best thing about the debut, but the great  or even good songs just weren't there.

I'd agree. In my opinion, that's the worst project he was ever a part of. It's not entirely on him, as the music just isn't anything special. However, I personally found his vocals to be quite weak too. The whole thing seemed very subpar and I had no interest in ever going back to the record after the fact. I'd take his work with the wildabouts over art of anarchy any day of the week.

I hate to be that guy but can someone explain to me how the music on ‘Roll Me Under’ or Self Titled 2010/High Rise is ‘anything interesting’? That stuff right there is the definition of ‘sub par’! Sure, Art of Anarchy had its share of generic metal tracks and they were my least favourite songs on that album but I found the music on ‘Get On Down’, ‘Long Ago’ with its guitar synth and ‘Death of It’ actually more interesting than much of the Deleo’s generic work post 2006. Don’t get me wrong, I love everything they did up to and including ‘Army of Anyone’ and OF COURSE I rate that material much higher than Art of Anarchy (before anyone asks) but the fact is they’ve written nothing of much interest musically since then, as I’ve said before I hope they seriously step things up on this new album but ‘Roll Me Under’ doesn’t fill me with confidence.