Samba Nova Questions

[EsemJayes]

Hey guys. I've been obsessed with Samba Nova for years since I've heard it before their s/t album. Does anyone have any more info about it? Why was it excluded from SLDD? Is there a better version of the original bootleg? I know they re-recorded it, but I prefer Scott's vocals on the original. Also, who produced the original version?


Thanks for the info.

[Sklashboombash]

Hey guys. I've been obsessed with Samba Nova for years since I've heard it before their s/t album. Does anyone have any more info about it? Why was it excluded from SLDD? Is there a better version of the original bootleg? I know they re-recorded it, but I prefer Scott's vocals on the original. Also, who produced the original version?


Thanks for the info.

I don't have firm info, but there was talk of SLDD being a double album. That song, recorded during those sessions, perhaps just found itself on the cutting room floor. I'd guess Brendan produced it. And from what I remember, when they originally leaked, the quality wasn't bad.

Robert DeLeo: "Samba Nova' was another song I was saving for solo stuff. Talk about making you cry, you should hear that done in a more traditional Brazilin feel with a female singing it. That made me cry. That song and 'About A Fool' were both things I had in mind for solo stuff. Very rarely as a writer do I really move myself into the listener's point of view. Those two really did that."

This and more at:
http://www.belowempty.com/forum/index.php?topic=846.msg10969#msg10969

[Tyrant]

I know they re-recorded it, but I prefer Scott's vocals on the original.

Also, the newer version wasn't re-recorded. It's the same recording, bur remastered/polished up for the official release.

[nat]

I didn't know there was more than one "version" of this song. I thought the version that was released on self-titled was the same recording they recorded during the SLDD sessions. So you're saying they actually re-recorded this song for self-titled? And the "leaked" version from the SLDD sessions is different? Never knew that. I deleted the MP3 I had of the song as soon as self-titled came out and it was on there, haha. I wouldn't have if I knew they were different.


EDIT: Well I guess Tyrant set that one straight, so I was pretty much right anyway.

[EsemJayes]

I know they re-recorded it, but I prefer Scott's vocals on the original.

Also, the newer version wasn't re-recorded. It's the same recording, bur remastered/polished up for the official release.

I'm not sure about that. Scott's melody is different in some spots between the two versions.

[EsemJayes]

Hey guys. I've been obsessed with Samba Nova for years since I've heard it before their s/t album. Does anyone have any more info about it? Why was it excluded from SLDD? Is there a better version of the original bootleg? I know they re-recorded it, but I prefer Scott's vocals on the original. Also, who produced the original version?


Thanks for the info.

I don't have firm info, but there was talk of SLDD being a double album. That song, recorded during those sessions, perhaps just found itself on the cutting room floor. I'd guess Brendan produced it. And from what I remember, when they originally leaked, the quality wasn't bad.

Robert DeLeo: "Samba Nova' was another song I was saving for solo stuff. Talk about making you cry, you should hear that done in a more traditional Brazilin feel with a female singing it. That made me cry. That song and 'About A Fool' were both things I had in mind for solo stuff. Very rarely as a writer do I really move myself into the listener's point of view. Those two really did that."

This and more at:
http://www.belowempty.com/forum/index.php?topic=846.msg10969#msg10969

Wow thanks for the info. So does that mean Robert wrote the Scott's melody too?

[CagedTiger]

I know they re-recorded it, but I prefer Scott's vocals on the original.

Also, the newer version wasn't re-recorded. It's the same recording, bur remastered/polished up for the official release.

I'm not sure about that. Scott's melody is different in some spots between the two versions.

Really? I'm another one who thought it was the same version as the leak but just mastered properly...

[EsemJayes]

I know they re-recorded it, but I prefer Scott's vocals on the original.

Also, the newer version wasn't re-recorded. It's the same recording, bur remastered/polished up for the official release.

I'm not sure about that. Scott's melody is different in some spots between the two versions.

Really? I'm another one who thought it was the same version as the leak but just mastered properly...

Well, being the nerd that I am, I imported both versions into Abelton and compared them. It seems the timing is a little different overall, like, I tried lining them up and it was impossible. Next, Scotts vocal melody is identical for the mosttt part, but it actually is different in one or two spots, but it is possible they just used an alternative take or edited it or something. But, I think it's the same version like you said just remixed but I'm not 100%.

[Pingfah]

There's no way Scott pulled that take out during the ST sessions, it's stronger than any other vocal on the album.

[Five Star Edge]

I know they re-recorded it, but I prefer Scott's vocals on the original.

Also, the newer version wasn't re-recorded. It's the same recording, bur remastered/polished up for the official release.

I'm not sure about that. Scott's melody is different in some spots between the two versions.

Really? I'm another one who thought it was the same version as the leak but just mastered properly...

Well, being the nerd that I am, I imported both versions into Abelton and compared them. It seems the timing is a little different overall, like, I tried lining them up and it was impossible. Next, Scotts vocal melody is identical for the mosttt part, but it actually is different in one or two spots, but it is possible they just used an alternative take or edited it or something. But, I think it's the same version like you said just remixed but I'm not 100%.

wow, thanks for the info......could you provide the exact spots where the melody is a bit different? 

[PilotsFan]

It's been a while since I've listened to both versions,  but as I recall, the word "been" in the lyric "...money's been spent" is a different note.  The newer version also has more of an echo sound to the vocals. There may be other differences as well, that's just off the top of my head.  Great song.

[Sklashboombash]

It'd been a little while since I listened to any of those outtakes from those days. But songs like this, About a Fool & You Can't Drive Me Away, just drive the point home that no matter what they do (with a new singer), they will just never touch (or even come close to) this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgt4q_dg0Ec

[DankoJones]

Yeah, love both of those tunes

[EsemJayes]

It's been a while since I've listened to both versions,  but as I recall, the word "been" in the lyric "...money's been spent" is a different note.  The newer version also has more of an echo sound to the vocals. There may be other differences as well, that's just off the top of my head.  Great song.

Exactly, the melody is different during that phrase. The echo could be added later.

[loungefly611]

There's no way Scott pulled that take out during the ST sessions, it's stronger than any other vocal on the album.

Agreed.