In A Perfect World-Scott Weiland Through The Years Tribute Concert

[Blue]

I just don't think it's helpful to pile on someone who is self medicating partially due to depression and emotional instability. Seems like they need positivity not more reasons to be depressed.

Sorry, but being positive about someone slowly killing their career, their legacy, and themselves is not going to help them. Scott was very, very delusional in the end. He saw a world where his actions had no consequences. Any positivity was just reinforcement to him that he could show up as late as he wanted, give as terrible a show as he wanted, and get as high and drunk as he wanted and his career would keep going because he was Scott Weiland.

In a situation like this, the only hope is that they will break out of their delusion and realize they are destroying themselves. In a lot of cases, those around them putting a mirror to their life and showing how low they have sunk can do it... And in cases of celebrities, negative press can do it. Unfortunately for Scott, his level of delusion was to the point where he saw any honest assessment of low he had sunk in life as an attack against him. Unfortunately, no amount of negative press or family members and loved one intervening could have saved him.

But at the end of the day, at least those who were honest tried to do something about it. Those who shut up and decided to remain 'positive' despite him have thrown himself to rock bottom in his life and his career just decided it was okay to sit by and watch him kill himself.

[The Legacy]

I just don't think it's helpful to pile on someone who is self medicating partially due to depression and emotional instability. Seems like they need positivity not more reasons to be depressed.

Sorry, but being positive about someone slowly killing their career, their legacy, and themselves is not going to help them. Scott was very, very delusional in the end. He saw a world where his actions had no consequences. Any positivity was just reinforcement to him that he could show up as late as he wanted, give as terrible a show as he wanted, and get as high and drunk as he wanted and his career would keep going because he was Scott Weiland.

In a situation like this, the only hope is that they will break out of their delusion and realize they are destroying themselves. In a lot of cases, those around them putting a mirror to their life and showing how low they have sunk can do it... And in cases of celebrities, negative press can do it. Unfortunately for Scott, his level of delusion was to the point where he saw any honest assessment of low he had sunk in life as an attack against him. Unfortunately, no amount of negative press or family members and loved one intervening could have saved him.

But at the end of the day, at least those who were honest tried to do something about it. Those who shut up and decided to remain 'positive' despite him have thrown himself to rock bottom in his life and his career just decided it was okay to sit by and watch him kill himself.

Seems better than giving him more reasons to kill himself. Him being depressed drove him further into addiction so you are saying the cure for that was more depression? And people ridiculed him his entire career for being a junkie and how did that help? Some things work for some people and some don't and clearly making him feel shitty about himself made things worse because guess what? The negative press was everywhere and it didn't save him. You know what wasn't everywhere for him? Love

[Blue]

I just don't think it's helpful to pile on someone who is self medicating partially due to depression and emotional instability. Seems like they need positivity not more reasons to be depressed.

Sorry, but being positive about someone slowly killing their career, their legacy, and themselves is not going to help them. Scott was very, very delusional in the end. He saw a world where his actions had no consequences. Any positivity was just reinforcement to him that he could show up as late as he wanted, give as terrible a show as he wanted, and get as high and drunk as he wanted and his career would keep going because he was Scott Weiland.

In a situation like this, the only hope is that they will break out of their delusion and realize they are destroying themselves. In a lot of cases, those around them putting a mirror to their life and showing how low they have sunk can do it... And in cases of celebrities, negative press can do it. Unfortunately for Scott, his level of delusion was to the point where he saw any honest assessment of low he had sunk in life as an attack against him. Unfortunately, no amount of negative press or family members and loved one intervening could have saved him.

But at the end of the day, at least those who were honest tried to do something about it. Those who shut up and decided to remain 'positive' despite him have thrown himself to rock bottom in his life and his career just decided it was okay to sit by and watch him kill himself.

Seems better than giving him more reasons to kill himself. Him being depressed drove him further into addiction so you are saying the cure for that was more depression? And people ridiculed him his entire career for being a junkie and how did that help? Some things work for some people and some don't and clearly making him feel shitty about himself made things worse because guess what? The negative press was everywhere and it didn't save him. You know what wasn't everywhere for him? Love

You've obviously never dealt with addicts before. If everyone around him is positive and supportive about him killing himself and his career, what reason does he have does he have to stop?

Him realizing the horrible things that he was doing to himself was the only way he could have been saved. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. And him being surrounded by yes men who remained positive no matter how horrifying shape he was in didn't help.

As for him not having love everywhere, that is total bullshit. He had his mother, his step-father, his wife, his step kid, a band full of people who seemed to love him... He also had Mary and his kids, who he pushed away, and his bandmates in STP and some of his band mates in VR, who he also pushed away.

The guy had nothing but love surrounding him.

[The Legacy]

I just don't think it's helpful to pile on someone who is self medicating partially due to depression and emotional instability. Seems like they need positivity not more reasons to be depressed.

Sorry, but being positive about someone slowly killing their career, their legacy, and themselves is not going to help them. Scott was very, very delusional in the end. He saw a world where his actions had no consequences. Any positivity was just reinforcement to him that he could show up as late as he wanted, give as terrible a show as he wanted, and get as high and drunk as he wanted and his career would keep going because he was Scott Weiland.

In a situation like this, the only hope is that they will break out of their delusion and realize they are destroying themselves. In a lot of cases, those around them putting a mirror to their life and showing how low they have sunk can do it... And in cases of celebrities, negative press can do it. Unfortunately for Scott, his level of delusion was to the point where he saw any honest assessment of low he had sunk in life as an attack against him. Unfortunately, no amount of negative press or family members and loved one intervening could have saved him.

But at the end of the day, at least those who were honest tried to do something about it. Those who shut up and decided to remain 'positive' despite him have thrown himself to rock bottom in his life and his career just decided it was okay to sit by and watch him kill himself.

Seems better than giving him more reasons to kill himself. Him being depressed drove him further into addiction so you are saying the cure for that was more depression? And people ridiculed him his entire career for being a junkie and how did that help? Some things work for some people and some don't and clearly making him feel shitty about himself made things worse because guess what? The negative press was everywhere and it didn't save him. You know what wasn't everywhere for him? Love

You've obviously never dealt with addicts before. If everyone around him is positive and supportive about him killing himself and his career, what reason does he have does he have to stop?

Him realizing the horrible things that he was doing to himself was the only way he could have been saved. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. And him being surrounded by yes men who remained positive no matter how horrifying shape he was in didn't help.

As for him not having love everywhere, that is total bullshit. He had his mother, his step-father, his wife, his step kid, a band full of people who seemed to love him... He also had Mary and his kids, who he pushed away, and his bandmates in STP and some of his band mates in VR, who he also pushed away.

The guy had nothing but love surrounding him.

That's not true and you know it. Nothing but love? The last time he was trending on the internet before he died was because of Corpus Christi. He was very aware of all the criticism then and before that. Different things work for different people, and don't try and assume what I've been through because I've been more connected with drug addiction than many people. There is no one size fits all cure and making a depressed person more depressed is not always the answer. The mirror was held up, as you said, and he died. So how are you defending that? Because guess what? It didn't work

[Blue]

You've obviously never dealt with addicts before. If everyone around him is positive and supportive about him killing himself and his career, what reason does he have does he have to stop?

Him realizing the horrible things that he was doing to himself was the only way he could have been saved. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. And him being surrounded by yes men who remained positive no matter how horrifying shape he was in didn't help.

As for him not having love everywhere, that is total bullshit. He had his mother, his step-father, his wife, his step kid, a band full of people who seemed to love him... He also had Mary and his kids, who he pushed away, and his bandmates in STP and some of his band mates in VR, who he also pushed away.

The guy had nothing but love surrounding him.

That's not true and you know it. Nothing but love? The last time he was trending on the internet before he died was because of Corpus Christi. He was very aware of all the criticism then and before that. Different things work for different people, and don't try and assume what I've been through because I've been more connected with drug addiction than many people. There is no one size fits all cure and making a depressed person more depressed is not always the answer. The mirror was held up, as you said, and he died. So how are you defending that? Because guess what? It didn't work

It didn't work because Scott was to far in denial to accept that he needed to change.

But pretending he was alright when he was in the worst shape of his life would have been even worse for him. If not for Corpus Christi trending, he probably would have died within a couple weeks of that show... The notoriety of that event at least seemed to make him temporarily try to change.

As for internet trending equaling love, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Scott had multiple loving families, loving parents, and three bands who cared about his well being. Not many of us are half as lucky as he was in regards to how many loved ones he had.

But the simple matter at the end of the day is that Scott just couldn't be saved. He had people trying to wake him up to the terrible shape he was in, he pushed them away. He had negative press all around him telling him how far he had fallen, he elected to ignore it.

And yes, he was surrounded by loved ones feeding him positivity and ignoring the tragic shape he was in-- as you seem to believe every one should have-- and he died anyway.

[I-want-a-time-machine]

Tough love is vastly overrated, the last thing a depressed, paranoid bi-polar bear needs, the only bottom that will be reached is death.

[Blue]

Tough love is vastly overrated, the last thing a depressed, paranoid bi-polar bear needs, the only bottom that will be reached is death.

Positive reinforcement of self-destructive behavior is so much better.

As I've said, the simple fact is Scott couldn't have been saved. But that doesn't mean helping him believe there were no consequences to his actions would have been a good idea.

[The Legacy]

You've obviously never dealt with addicts before. If everyone around him is positive and supportive about him killing himself and his career, what reason does he have does he have to stop?

Him realizing the horrible things that he was doing to himself was the only way he could have been saved. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. And him being surrounded by yes men who remained positive no matter how horrifying shape he was in didn't help.

As for him not having love everywhere, that is total bullshit. He had his mother, his step-father, his wife, his step kid, a band full of people who seemed to love him... He also had Mary and his kids, who he pushed away, and his bandmates in STP and some of his band mates in VR, who he also pushed away.

The guy had nothing but love surrounding him.

That's not true and you know it. Nothing but love? The last time he was trending on the internet before he died was because of Corpus Christi. He was very aware of all the criticism then and before that. Different things work for different people, and don't try and assume what I've been through because I've been more connected with drug addiction than many people. There is no one size fits all cure and making a depressed person more depressed is not always the answer. The mirror was held up, as you said, and he died. So how are you defending that? Because guess what? It didn't work

It didn't work because Scott was to far in denial to accept that he needed to change.

But pretending he was alright when he was in the worst shape of his life would have been even worse for him. If not for Corpus Christi trending, he probably would have died within a couple weeks of that show... The notoriety of that event at least seemed to make him temporarily try to change.

As for internet trending equaling love, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Scott had multiple loving families, loving parents, and three bands who cared about his well being. Not many of us are half as lucky as he was in regards to how many loved ones he had.

But the simple matter at the end of the day is that Scott just couldn't be saved. He had people trying to wake him up to the terrible shape he was in, he pushed them away. He had negative press all around him telling him how far he had fallen, he elected to ignore it.

And yes, he was surrounded by loved ones feeding him positivity and ignoring the tragic shape he was in-- as you seem to believe every one should have-- and he died anyway.

You can't possibly believe that he was surrounded by anywhere near as much love as he was criticism. Fans weren't buying his tickets, only posting links to performances like CC, and calling his tours trainwrecks. Come on dude, be real

[Blue]

You've obviously never dealt with addicts before. If everyone around him is positive and supportive about him killing himself and his career, what reason does he have does he have to stop?

Him realizing the horrible things that he was doing to himself was the only way he could have been saved. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. And him being surrounded by yes men who remained positive no matter how horrifying shape he was in didn't help.

As for him not having love everywhere, that is total bullshit. He had his mother, his step-father, his wife, his step kid, a band full of people who seemed to love him... He also had Mary and his kids, who he pushed away, and his bandmates in STP and some of his band mates in VR, who he also pushed away.

The guy had nothing but love surrounding him.

That's not true and you know it. Nothing but love? The last time he was trending on the internet before he died was because of Corpus Christi. He was very aware of all the criticism then and before that. Different things work for different people, and don't try and assume what I've been through because I've been more connected with drug addiction than many people. There is no one size fits all cure and making a depressed person more depressed is not always the answer. The mirror was held up, as you said, and he died. So how are you defending that? Because guess what? It didn't work

It didn't work because Scott was to far in denial to accept that he needed to change.

But pretending he was alright when he was in the worst shape of his life would have been even worse for him. If not for Corpus Christi trending, he probably would have died within a couple weeks of that show... The notoriety of that event at least seemed to make him temporarily try to change.

As for internet trending equaling love, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Scott had multiple loving families, loving parents, and three bands who cared about his well being. Not many of us are half as lucky as he was in regards to how many loved ones he had.

But the simple matter at the end of the day is that Scott just couldn't be saved. He had people trying to wake him up to the terrible shape he was in, he pushed them away. He had negative press all around him telling him how far he had fallen, he elected to ignore it.

And yes, he was surrounded by loved ones feeding him positivity and ignoring the tragic shape he was in-- as you seem to believe every one should have-- and he died anyway.

You can't possibly believe that he was surrounded by anywhere near as much love as he was criticism. Fans weren't buying his tickets, only posting links to performances like CC, and calling his tours trainwrecks. Come on dude, be real

Scott clearly didn't care about online criticism. Look at the way he treated his most loyal fans in those final years... He didn't care what anyone thought.

Meanwhile he had a loving wife, and caring band mates and touring crew, all willing to turn a blind eye to his addictions and remain positive no matter how pathetic shape he was in.

Believe me, too much negativity wasn't his problem.

[Pingfah]

There's no intervening with a person like Weiland, nothing you can say to them they haven't considered, or heard a thousand times before.

In that respect, whether you treat them with tough love or kid gloves doesn't really matter, they don't give a shit what you think anyway. They're either going to decide to live, or not. Scott did not decide to live.