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Re: Nick Maybury opens up about Scott
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2016, 08:07:16 AM »
Yes, that was my take on it too . Scott basically saying that his drunken performances weren't affecting his career . It's hard to believe he was that delusional , he had to have known otherwise , or maybe he was just that deep into it . Either way just tragic .  Nick sounds like a really decent guy, hope he goes far .

He was in total and complete denial, and delusional, near the end.  When I talked to him, he was blaming the fans for being pissed about 'not getting autographs' as the reason why people on Below Empty called him out for his inebriated behavior at meet and greets and on stage.  He took zero accountability, basically anybody calling out his addiction was the enemy, and he would create a stupid rationalization as to why they called him out for it no matter who it was.  He also did not take any accountability when it came to why the other STP guys didn't want to play with him, creating a bullshit story about the DeLeos/Eric always being jealous of his fame and magazine covers, and calling Dean a junkie, despite Dean having been clean for over a decade.  He was on a complete other planet, nobody could have saved him, outside of himself.
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Re: Nick Maybury opens up about Scott
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2016, 03:54:41 PM »
I'm glad at least one person that was around Scott for a period of time is honoring him in some ways like Nick has done.

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Re: Nick Maybury opens up about Scott
« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2016, 06:06:31 PM »
I am curious Brett as to what your impression is of Tommy Black in all of this , having  interviewed him and spoken to people in Scott' s inner circle etc .

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Re: Nick Maybury opens up about Scott
« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2016, 06:09:50 PM »
I'm not defending Scott on his behavior, but this community keeps forgetting that the fact He was delusional due to the fact he was mentally ill.  He was a full blown addict due to DNA & the fact that Medication for the mentally ill are the most addictive substances on this Planet.  He was at a loss no matter what.  I don't know if any of you have ever dealt with true mentally ill people, they are all delusional in some form.  Him being Bi-Polar was a step down from Schizophrenia.  The death of Jeremy could have been the "trigger" that put him in this form of psychosis.  He was the way he was because he was mentally ill and once you accept that, it will help you understand him as a person.  Those who were in his group is partly to blame for not taking care of a human being; therefore, they have to live with that guilt the rest of their lives & also live with the fact that people look at that group as enablers & evil people who didn't care about a human being.  Why do you think Tommy & his Wife is getting the bad wrap?  As far as Nick, I feel sorry for the guy to get stuck in all of this cuz He is a good guy who fell in the mud.  I wish Him luck & I don't look at him or the drummer (sorry I forget his name) but I do look at Tommy & Jamie w/ disappointment & the very ones who are to blame for not doing the right thing.  You call that love, no way.  I call that selfish & greedy people who didn't care about a human being.  If you don't believe me, read the articles again.  I loved Scott very much & if we were in the same room, I would have died to try to save his life.     

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis  )

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Re: Nick Maybury opens up about Scott
« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2016, 06:19:51 PM »
I'm not defending Scott on his behavior, but this community keeps forgetting that the fact He was delusional due to the fact he was mentally ill.  He was a full blown addict due to DNA & the fact that Medication for the mentally ill are the most addictive substances on this Planet.  He was at a loss no matter what.  I don't know if any of you have ever dealt with true mentally ill people, they are all delusional in some form.  Him being Bi-Polar was a step down from Schizophrenia.  The death of Jeremy could have been the "trigger" that put him in this form of psychosis.  He was the way he was because he was mentally ill and once you accept that, it will help you understand him as a person.  Those who were in his group is partly to blame for not taking care of a human being; therefore, they have to live with that guilt the rest of their lives & also live with the fact that people look at that group as enablers & evil people who didn't care about a human being.  Why do you think Tommy & his Wife is getting the bad wrap?  As far as Nick, I feel sorry for the guy to get stuck in all of this cuz He is a good guy who fell in the mud.  I wish Him luck & I don't look at him or the drummer (sorry I forget his name) but I do look at Tommy & Jamie w/ disappointment & the very ones who are to blame for not doing the right thing.  You call that love, no way.  I call that selfish & greedy people who didn't care about a human being.  If you don't believe me, read the articles again.  I loved Scott very much & if we were in the same room, I would have died to try to save his life.     

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis  )

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I'd like to hear you expand on Scott's DNA please. It seems like you think addiction is something you inherit rather than it being a conscience decision?

Also, as people who paid for albums, concerts, and memorabilia, I believe we have earned the right to discuss his downward spiral and behavior over the years.

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Re: Nick Maybury opens up about Scott
« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2016, 06:24:14 PM »
I'm not defending Scott on his behavior, but this community keeps forgetting that the fact He was delusional due to the fact he was mentally ill.  He was a full blown addict due to DNA & the fact that Medication for the mentally ill are the most addictive substances on this Planet.  He was at a loss no matter what.  I don't know if any of you have ever dealt with true mentally ill people, they are all delusional in some form.  Him being Bi-Polar was a step down from Schizophrenia.  The death of Jeremy could have been the "trigger" that put him in this form of psychosis.  He was the way he was because he was mentally ill and once you accept that, it will help you understand him as a person.  Those who were in his group is partly to blame for not taking care of a human being; therefore, they have to live with that guilt the rest of their lives & also live with the fact that people look at that group as enablers & evil people who didn't care about a human being.  Why do you think Tommy & his Wife is getting the bad wrap?  As far as Nick, I feel sorry for the guy to get stuck in all of this cuz He is a good guy who fell in the mud.  I wish Him luck & I don't look at him or the drummer (sorry I forget his name) but I do look at Tommy & Jamie w/ disappointment & the very ones who are to blame for not doing the right thing.  You call that love, no way.  I call that selfish & greedy people who didn't care about a human being.  If you don't believe me, read the articles again.  I loved Scott very much & if we were in the same room, I would have died to try to save his life.     

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis  )

 8) :-* :'(

I'd like to hear you expand on Scott's DNA please. It seems like you think addiction is something you inherit rather than it being a conscience decision?

Also, as people who paid for albums, concerts, and memorabilia, I believe we have earned the right to discuss his downward spiral and behavior over the years.

Addiction is 100% a serious, genuine disease and has long been widely recognised as such by the medical community at large. Arguing otherwise is akin to characterising cancer as a conscious choice.

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Re: Nick Maybury opens up about Scott
« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2016, 06:33:17 PM »
I'm not defending Scott on his behavior, but this community keeps forgetting that the fact He was delusional due to the fact he was mentally ill.  He was a full blown addict due to DNA & the fact that Medication for the mentally ill are the most addictive substances on this Planet.  He was at a loss no matter what.  I don't know if any of you have ever dealt with true mentally ill people, they are all delusional in some form.  Him being Bi-Polar was a step down from Schizophrenia.  The death of Jeremy could have been the "trigger" that put him in this form of psychosis.  He was the way he was because he was mentally ill and once you accept that, it will help you understand him as a person.  Those who were in his group is partly to blame for not taking care of a human being; therefore, they have to live with that guilt the rest of their lives & also live with the fact that people look at that group as enablers & evil people who didn't care about a human being.  Why do you think Tommy & his Wife is getting the bad wrap?  As far as Nick, I feel sorry for the guy to get stuck in all of this cuz He is a good guy who fell in the mud.  I wish Him luck & I don't look at him or the drummer (sorry I forget his name) but I do look at Tommy & Jamie w/ disappointment & the very ones who are to blame for not doing the right thing.  You call that love, no way.  I call that selfish & greedy people who didn't care about a human being.  If you don't believe me, read the articles again.  I loved Scott very much & if we were in the same room, I would have died to try to save his life.     

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis  )

 8) :-* :'(

I'd like to hear you expand on Scott's DNA please. It seems like you think addiction is something you inherit rather than it being a conscience decision?

Also, as people who paid for albums, concerts, and memorabilia, I believe we have earned the right to discuss his downward spiral and behavior over the years.

Addiction is 100% a serious, genuine disease and has long been widely recognised as such by the medical community at large. Arguing otherwise is akin to characterising cancer as a conscious choice.

How did Scott get this disease? Also, how does one overcome the disease?

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Re: Nick Maybury opens up about Scott
« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2016, 06:46:29 PM »
I'm not defending Scott on his behavior, but this community keeps forgetting that the fact He was delusional due to the fact he was mentally ill.  He was a full blown addict due to DNA & the fact that Medication for the mentally ill are the most addictive substances on this Planet.  He was at a loss no matter what.  I don't know if any of you have ever dealt with true mentally ill people, they are all delusional in some form.  Him being Bi-Polar was a step down from Schizophrenia.  The death of Jeremy could have been the "trigger" that put him in this form of psychosis.  He was the way he was because he was mentally ill and once you accept that, it will help you understand him as a person.  Those who were in his group is partly to blame for not taking care of a human being; therefore, they have to live with that guilt the rest of their lives & also live with the fact that people look at that group as enablers & evil people who didn't care about a human being.  Why do you think Tommy & his Wife is getting the bad wrap?  As far as Nick, I feel sorry for the guy to get stuck in all of this cuz He is a good guy who fell in the mud.  I wish Him luck & I don't look at him or the drummer (sorry I forget his name) but I do look at Tommy & Jamie w/ disappointment & the very ones who are to blame for not doing the right thing.  You call that love, no way.  I call that selfish & greedy people who didn't care about a human being.  If you don't believe me, read the articles again.  I loved Scott very much & if we were in the same room, I would have died to try to save his life.     

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis  )

 8) :-* :'(

I'd like to hear you expand on Scott's DNA please. It seems like you think addiction is something you inherit rather than it being a conscience decision?

Also, as people who paid for albums, concerts, and memorabilia, I believe we have earned the right to discuss his downward spiral and behavior over the years.

Addiction is a disease, no doubt. But it's also the one disease that shatters the important relationships in your life. Mentally ill or not, I'm sure the scores of people who were close to him throughout his life could only take so much.
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Re: Nick Maybury opens up about Scott
« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2016, 07:00:00 PM »
I'm not defending Scott on his behavior, but this community keeps forgetting that the fact He was delusional due to the fact he was mentally ill.  He was a full blown addict due to DNA & the fact that Medication for the mentally ill are the most addictive substances on this Planet.  He was at a loss no matter what.  I don't know if any of you have ever dealt with true mentally ill people, they are all delusional in some form.  Him being Bi-Polar was a step down from Schizophrenia.  The death of Jeremy could have been the "trigger" that put him in this form of psychosis.  He was the way he was because he was mentally ill and once you accept that, it will help you understand him as a person.  Those who were in his group is partly to blame for not taking care of a human being; therefore, they have to live with that guilt the rest of their lives & also live with the fact that people look at that group as enablers & evil people who didn't care about a human being.  Why do you think Tommy & his Wife is getting the bad wrap?  As far as Nick, I feel sorry for the guy to get stuck in all of this cuz He is a good guy who fell in the mud.  I wish Him luck & I don't look at him or the drummer (sorry I forget his name) but I do look at Tommy & Jamie w/ disappointment & the very ones who are to blame for not doing the right thing.  You call that love, no way.  I call that selfish & greedy people who didn't care about a human being.  If you don't believe me, read the articles again.  I loved Scott very much & if we were in the same room, I would have died to try to save his life.     

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis  )

 8) :-* :'(

I'd like to hear you expand on Scott's DNA please. It seems like you think addiction is something you inherit rather than it being a conscience decision?

Also, as people who paid for albums, concerts, and memorabilia, I believe we have earned the right to discuss his downward spiral and behavior over the years.

Addiction is 100% a serious, genuine disease and has long been widely recognised as such by the medical community at large. Arguing otherwise is akin to characterising cancer as a conscious choice.

How did Scott get this disease? Also, how does one overcome the disease?

There is indeed a significant genetic component to addiction, as there are also biological, environmental and psychological elements. There is no one simple answer. Just like how scientists still don't really understand what causes cancer, there is still much the medical community doesn't yet know about addiction. In terms of treatment, research is being carried out in the field of gene therapy, but that's some way off from being a reality. There's no one cure that works with such a complex illness. Just like how chemotherapy often fails to cure cancer. AA and NA are deeply flawed programs with high failure rates. There are better CBT based approaches like SMART that are helpful, but again, a 'cure' that targets all facets of the disease does not yet exist. What is extremely unhelpful, is the ongoing stigmatization of addicts as lazy with no willpower etc. I worked in mental health for ten years, specialising in addiction and am happy to answer any questions, as long as they're not facetious. There is also of course a wealth of material readily available online regarding the research being undertaken, and the evidence for addiction being classified many years ago as a disease in the first place.

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Re: Nick Maybury opens up about Scott
« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2016, 07:23:25 PM »
I will admit that I certainly have never worked with addicts, nor am I an addict myself. But surely, if this were indeed a disease as people have said, did Scott have it all his life, or did it become a disease after he started using? I'm just not able to see how picking up a needle, sticking it in your arm, and injecting the liquid are not all conscious decisions. Unless someone forced him to do heroin at gunpoint, I see his use as a choice. I see drinking and driving as a choice too. If someone accidentally takes someone's life while drunk driving, we don't excuse the behavior and say they have a disease of alcohol and that's because the death could have been avoided if the person had not been so selfish. If someone accidentally killed a family member we would want them in jail for reckless behavior and I highly doubt we would say that someone else's disease was the culprit. We would blame the driver who is the individual.


To say it's a disease is to victimize the user, and I will almost completely guarantee Scott had some knowledge that heroin was not in his best interest but did it anyways. Something has to be said for someone like Scott who stuck needles in his arms versus a person who goes for an MRI and finds out they have a brain tumor. They are not the same thing at all. How about people who once did drugs, but chose to stop doing them? These people's brains magically ignored the "genetic component" of addiction as well as the "biological, environmental, and psychological element" all of a sudden? I doubt it. They chose to wake up, and to stop hurting themselves and their families.


I was reading some comments from users at this article. The very first comment is from a user who does not see themselves as having a disease:
http://www.thecleanslate.org/myths/addiction-is-not-a-brain-disease-it-is-a-choice/
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Re: Nick Maybury opens up about Scott
« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2016, 07:36:14 PM »
I took it as "I've been doing this (my addiction) for 20 years, you talking to me on a tour bus isn't going to be what gets me to kick". Nick didn't articulate it very well, but it was probably difficult and awkward for him to talk about.

I also took Nick's comment as basically saying Scott's approach was "look dude, I've been struggling w/ drugs for 20 years and talking to you isn't going to change anything when countless rehabs, fame, family, kids etc... haven't gotten me to quit"

The exact quote Nick gives was "I've had a career for 20 years, I don't think this is really gonna change it."

It's very clear that, in the context of a discussion about his drinking, Scott was saying he'd have a career regardless of whether he drank or not.

For me, "this" in this context meant "this talk" rather than "this alcohol", as in "you, Nick Maybury, are not going to talk me out of my addiction in the year 2015 after everything I've tried and everything everyone else has tried, especially after managing to remain successful through it all". But it's certainly possible I'm underestimating how much he was in denial.
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Re: Nick Maybury opens up about Scott
« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2016, 07:54:16 PM »
I will admit that I certainly have never worked with addicts, nor am I an addict myself. But surely, if this were indeed a disease as people have said, did Scott have it all his life, or did it become a disease after he started using? I'm just not able to see how picking up a needle, sticking it in your arm, and injecting the liquid are not all conscious decisions. Unless someone forced him to do heroin at gunpoint, I see his use as a choice. I see drinking and driving as a choice too. If someone accidentally takes someone's life while drunk driving, we don't excuse the behavior and say they have a disease of alcohol and that's because the death could have been avoided if the person had not been so selfish. If someone accidentally killed a family member we would want them in jail for reckless behavior and I highly doubt we would say that someone else's disease was the culprit.


To say it's a disease is to victimize the user, and I will almost completely guarantee Scott had some knowledge that heroin was not in his best interest but did it anyways. Something has to be said for someone like Scott who stuck needles in his arms versus a person who goes for an MRI and finds out they have a brain tumor. They are not the same thing at all. How about people who once did drugs, but chose to stop doing them? These people's brains magically ignored the "genetic component" of addiction as well as the "biological, environmental, and psychological element" all of a sudden? I doubt it. They chose to wake up, and to stop hurting themselves and their families.


I was reading some comments from users at this article. The very first comment is from a user who does not see themselves as having a disease:
http://www.thecleanslate.org/myths/addiction-is-not-a-brain-disease-it-is-a-choice/

In terms of accepting addiction as a disease, it's completely irrelevant that one user chooses to view it differently. Some cancer sufferers believe Vitamin C can cure them, but that doesn't make it a fact. You have to follow the science, which offers ample proof that addiction is a disease. The brain of an addict is wired differently. Their dopamine receptors don't work like non-addicts.

Of course addicts know drugs aren't in their best interest. Do you really think Scott Weiland was happy with his addictions? The guy spent millions on rehab and tried to get clean over and over again. That's the whole point. It's not a choice. Believe me, almost all addicts desperately want to get clean. Sure, the first time someone uses a drug they later become addicted to, it's a choice. It's also a choice when someone smokes their first cigarette. But that doesn't make the cancer they may then develop a 'choice', or any less of a disease, does it? Addiction is the same. A disease that is triggered by initial use, and exacerbated by the underlying genetic, biological etc conditions I mentioned earlier. It's still a disease. Do you understand that?

Regarding the argument you're trying to make re former users that have successfully stopped using, it's as simple as this - they don't have those same underlying genetic predispositions, and for them it's a simpler case of detoxification and behavioural therap. Also, like in cancer, sometimes chemo successfully treats cancer, sometimes it doesn't.

With regards to your drunk driving comments, I don't see how that's relevant at all to the discussion at hand, which is whether or not addiction is a medical disease. As I mentioned earlier, there is plentiful real research available online for you to read and educate yourself. I suggest you start with real science sites and organizations. The WHO, AMA, NHS etc. Don't just search and cherry pick from some pseudo-science piece and random comments section that you think will support your argument.

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Re: Nick Maybury opens up about Scott
« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2016, 09:43:55 PM »
Very cool to see Scott had such an impact on Nick even though they only played together for 6 months or so.

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Re: Nick Maybury opens up about Scott
« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2016, 02:59:26 PM »
To say it's a disease is to victimize the user, and I will almost completely guarantee Scott had some knowledge that heroin was not in his best interest but did it anyways. Something has to be said for someone like Scott who stuck needles in his arms versus a person who goes for an MRI and finds out they have a brain tumor. They are not the same thing at all. How about people who once did drugs, but chose to stop doing them? These people's brains magically ignored the "genetic component" of addiction as well as the "biological, environmental, and psychological element" all of a sudden? I doubt it. They chose to wake up, and to stop hurting themselves and their families.

The same set of deliberate choices that Scott made, might lead to HIV, Liver Cirrhosis, Myocarditis, Endocarditis, and a host of other conditions. Do you also dispute that these are diseases?

What do you consider to be the difference between conditions arising from heart damage brought on by drug use, and conditions that arise from damaging your brain?

I'm afraid that the definition of a disease is not dependent on your personal view of drug addicts.

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Re: Nick Maybury opens up about Scott
« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2016, 03:26:44 PM »
To say it's a disease is to victimize the user, and I will almost completely guarantee Scott had some knowledge that heroin was not in his best interest but did it anyways. Something has to be said for someone like Scott who stuck needles in his arms versus a person who goes for an MRI and finds out they have a brain tumor. They are not the same thing at all. How about people who once did drugs, but chose to stop doing them? These people's brains magically ignored the "genetic component" of addiction as well as the "biological, environmental, and psychological element" all of a sudden? I doubt it. They chose to wake up, and to stop hurting themselves and their families.

The same set of deliberate choices that Scott made, might lead to HIV, Liver Cirrhosis, Myocarditis, Endocarditis, and a host of other conditions. Do you also dispute that these are diseases?

What do you consider to be the difference between conditions arising from heart damage brought on by drug use, and conditions that arise from damaging your brain?

I'm afraid that the definition of a disease is not dependent on your personal view of drug addicts.

I'm not disputing that the conditions you mentioned are not diseases. They indeed are just that. But, in some cases they only exist after poor-decision making is made. You agreed that his choices were deliberate, which was my original point. If these were a set of poorly "deliberate choices" as you said, Scott made the wrong decision repeatably.