The Future Of STP?

[Sklashboombash]

Although, a song like that is just too good to sit locked away forever.

[DrLymphNode]

What's even stranger is the unreleased Wonder girls song Massive Heart Attack.

[StoneTempleBrett]

It just occurred to me, but we're probably never going to see Only Dying under these circumstances. They dropped that song (or at least that song title) from The Crow soundtrack because of Brandon Lee's death, I don't imagine they'll release it after Scott's. At least not in tribute to him.

I don't think it matters.  One of STP's biggest hits is called "Dead and Bloated."

[Humble Kidney Pie]

What's even stranger is the unreleased Wonder girls song Massive Heart Attack.

I've been waiting eagerly ever since that 30 second sample.

[Purple]

It just occurred to me, but we're probably never going to see Only Dying under these circumstances. They dropped that song (or at least that song title) from The Crow soundtrack because of Brandon Lee's death, I don't imagine they'll release it after Scott's. At least not in tribute to him.

I don't think it matters.  One of STP's biggest hits is called "Dead and Bloated."

True, however that song has been released since 1992.  It would be a different thing to release it just after Scott's death.  The casual fan isn't familiar with the song "Only Dying" and the name would have a bit of shock to it to the more sensitive crowd.

[Blue]

It just occurred to me, but we're probably never going to see Only Dying under these circumstances. They dropped that song (or at least that song title) from The Crow soundtrack because of Brandon Lee's death, I don't imagine they'll release it after Scott's. At least not in tribute to him.

I don't think it matters.  One of STP's biggest hits is called "Dead and Bloated."

True, however that song has been released since 1992.  It would be a different thing to release it just after Scott's death.  The casual fan isn't familiar with the song "Only Dying" and the name would have a bit of shock to it to the more sensitive crowd.

Not just the sensitive crowd, but the band and Scott's family. Imagine you know a man for 25+ years, and the first 'lost track' after he dies to be released is called 'Only Dying'. I don't imagine that's a track the band or Scott's family necessarily want to listen to right now.


Not to mention, it may feel a bit too exploitative releasing that kind of song as a posthumous release.


So I don't think we'll see that one in the immediate future. Hopefully they'll think to do something with the 99-02 sessions, after a respectful amount of time.

[Lazy Divey]

I think "Messages" would be a nice tribute for the VR guys to release on like itunes or something and have the proceeds go to Scott's family.

[StoneTempleBrett]

It just occurred to me, but we're probably never going to see Only Dying under these circumstances. They dropped that song (or at least that song title) from The Crow soundtrack because of Brandon Lee's death, I don't imagine they'll release it after Scott's. At least not in tribute to him.

I don't think it matters.  One of STP's biggest hits is called "Dead and Bloated."

True, however that song has been released since 1992.  It would be a different thing to release it just after Scott's death.  The casual fan isn't familiar with the song "Only Dying" and the name would have a bit of shock to it to the more sensitive crowd.

Not just the sensitive crowd, but the band and Scott's family. Imagine you know a man for 25+ years, and the first 'lost track' after he dies to be released is called 'Only Dying'. I don't imagine that's a track the band or Scott's family necessarily want to listen to right now.


Not to mention, it may feel a bit too exploitative releasing that kind of song as a posthumous release.


So I don't think we'll see that one in the immediate future. Hopefully they'll think to do something with the 99-02 sessions, after a respectful amount of time.

I think a couple of years down the line it would be appropriate.

[foou33]

removing all songs based on titles and lyrical content won't leave much. Just off the top of my head Dead & Bloated, Creep, Plush, Still Remains, Pop's Love Suicide, Trippin', Ride The Cliche, Down, Church On Tuesday, No Way Out, Dumb Love, Coma, Between The Lines. There is also the business side of this as well. Do you think the record company is going to want to wait a while to release something or do something soon. They will put insensitivity aside to make more money.

[Sklashboombash]

On the topic of what the band is doing...I'm sure they are still grieving, but I'm very curious to know what they're thinking right now. There's no question that they were writing music prior to Chester leaving, so they've probably amounted some material. But with Scott gone now, I wonder if it makes them rethink their steps to move on?

I know everyone has mentioned above what they think SHOULD happen, but I just wonder what's in their heads right now.

[Purple]

removing all songs based on titles and lyrical content won't leave much. Just off the top of my head Dead & Bloated, Creep, Plush, Still Remains, Pop's Love Suicide, Trippin', Ride The Cliche, Down, Church On Tuesday, No Way Out, Dumb Love, Coma, Between The Lines. There is also the business side of this as well. Do you think the record company is going to want to wait a while to release something or do something soon. They will put insensitivity aside to make more money.

That's not the point... Those have all already been released.  if Creep was some random B-side that got shelved, and nobody besides die-hards had heard about it, they probably would be hesitant to share it immediately as well.  But it's been out since '94 so there would be no shock value.

[CritterTypeThing]

I think if they give it time, that sensitivity threshold will dwindle.  And I think it would make more of a difference whether any song was released just as a single, or if it was somehow packaged with other material.  Thinking along the lines of how "You Know You're Right" was later released as new material in the Self-titled greatest hits album.  Obviously that title isn't sensitive, and even if it was just a single the public would've still eaten it up.  But I'm just thinking out loud of how it could be done.  I think a contributing factor would be if STP decides to replace Chester and still move forward.  I think "You Know You're Right" would've been big regardless, but the fact that Nirvana ended with Kurt made it even that much more special to hear unreleased material down the road.


Maybe there would eventaully be an SW greatest hits that spans everything.  STP, VR, solo, Wildabouts and that side-projects.  That would obviously depend on whether he has any rights, or his representation is granted the right to include anything outside of his solo & Wildabouts material.
But even if it was just a greatest hits look based on solo & Wildabouts.  It would be cool if Happy could be officially released and I'd personally like to see Breathe get a legitimate push.  Isn't that technically his final solo song released?



As far as record company making money; First it depends on whether they still own rights to any STP material (I don't know the details of STP finally breaking free from Atlantic).  But regardless, right now they're probably seeing the biggest bump in back catalogue sales than any other recent year.  People who may not have owned material already (shame on them), who are now driven to invest because of the news of Scott's passing.

[Blue]

removing all songs based on titles and lyrical content won't leave much. Just off the top of my head Dead & Bloated, Creep, Plush, Still Remains, Pop's Love Suicide, Trippin', Ride The Cliche, Down, Church On Tuesday, No Way Out, Dumb Love, Coma, Between The Lines. There is also the business side of this as well. Do you think the record company is going to want to wait a while to release something or do something soon. They will put insensitivity aside to make more money.

First of all, I  don't think the record company can do anything without the band's consent. STP's contract with them is finished, and I don't believe they can release new material without the consent of the band.

So it comes down to the band... And if they were uncomfortable releasing 'Only Dying' in the wake of Brandon Lee's death, why would they be comfortable doing it with Scott's? Remember, this would likely the first 'lost' track released after Scott's death, the title would be called 'Only Dying', and the lyrics all pertain (metaphorically) to dying a slow agonizing death.

I'm not saying it will never be released... Just it will never be released during the current circumstance. Maybe in 10 or 20 years it could be... But it'll have to be buried deep in a collection, and not be a drawing point. They're not  going to release a Core reissue with a new song called 'Only Dying' as a selling point.

[foou33]

true, but can the band release something from the back catalog without the record companies approval? i don't see the record company wanting to put money up for something in like 5 years. I don't know the legal in and outs, but doesn't the record company get the final say on stuff like that?

[STP92]

Wasn't it confirmed that "Only Dying" was never re-recorded? From my understanding, that was just the original title of "Big Empty". I think Robert even mentioned they wouldn't be interested in re-recording it in the first place because they used parts of it in "Piece of Pie".